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Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:50:00 - [1] I'm not sure which to buy first for solo PvPing. What ship do you think is best for this role: Machariel, Vargur, Panther, or Sin?
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:06:00 - [2] Originally by: Alyth Edited by: Alyth on 26/12/2007 20:01:41 Originally by: Jack Target I'm not sure which to buy first for solo PvPing. What ship do you think is best for this role: Machariel, Vargur, Panther, or Sin? Depends. What are your skills like? How do you like to fight i.e close range, long range, going omgwtfbbq m/s? Are you willing to spend 600m on a black ops ship when their T1 counterparts can do everything apart from the jumping and cloaking equally well? I prefer close range because I can web and scramble. Cloaking sounds good because you can sneak up on people and web/scram them quick. I'm not sure a Machariel would get there quick enough. Also, when the prey scans the system, they won't know there is a black ops around.
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:28:00 - [3] Originally by: slothe personally i wouldnt use any of them for solo pvp. Interesting! Which ship would you use then?
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:41:00 - [4] Edited by: Jack Target on 26/12/2007 20:43:45 Originally by: Annowyn Originally by: Jack Target Originally by: slothe personally i wouldnt use any of them for solo pvp. Interesting! Which ship would you use then? Agreed. As soon as someone clicks "scan" the race is on. Jump into Amamake or some such system with one of those >10k from a gate or station for more than 2 minutes. So what do you use? A Vagabond to get away quick? But surely the point of the Black Ops is that you can decloak when the time is right?
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:04:00 - [5] I think I'll choose the Panther. I like the idea of sneaking about like a U-boat commander!
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:20:00 - [6] I've just realised Black Ops can't fit covert ops cloaks. Suddenly, I'm not so interested in Black Ops any more.
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Shardrael if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it. I think I'll do this!
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.27 06:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Jack Target on 27/12/2007 06:01:23 Originally by: Lorz0r Edited by: Lorz0r on 27/12/2007 01:08:10 Originally by: Shardrael if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it. Providing you can still fit 100MN MWD's to command ships the Sleipnir can double that Speed. Also - it has no tanking ship bonus so I completely fail to see how this ship would be massively superior to a Tempest in terms of tanking - it has 1 more low slot and 2500 more armour??? So it comes down to the old 4 billion on any BS is going to be extremely hard to ***. EDIT: what the ** - this forum sensors the word 'crac.k'??? According to Eve Fitting tool, you can still fit a 100mn MWD on a Sleipnir. However, the align time becomes 30 seconds. I think this means the mass of the MWD has been made much larger, so the Sleipnir would turn like a petrol tanker and accelerate to maximum speed really slowly. So basically, it's been nerfed!
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.28 19:46:00 - [9] Edited by: Jack Target on 28/12/2007 19:46:33 Originally by: Rixsta NanoMach is the best of the bunch... but personally i'd keep it simple and go with a Nanophoon. If you're willing to pimp it slightly i.e. polycarbs + faction propulsion mods you'll probably be on par with a Nanomach... i.e. a bonus to Siege launchers / Cruise Launchers and a more flexible drone bay (as well as slightly lower sig radius). You lose out on pure hitpoints / speed / mid slots, but for what you save an awful lot in ISK meaning you won't be crying when you do eventually lose it, which you WILL solo. Just as a note will you be completely solo, or have you got an alt scout? Most of the time I fly solo because I normally play for only half-an-hour each time. I don't use alts. Therefore, I'm thinking of "playing safe" with a Rapier for a while until I get the hang of things.
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.28 20:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Culitza Originally by: Jack Target Edited by: Jack Target on 28/12/2007 19:46:33 Originally by: Rixsta NanoMach is the best of the bunch... but personally i'd keep it simple and go with a Nanophoon. If you're willing to pimp it slightly i.e. polycarbs + faction propulsion mods you'll probably be on par with a Nanomach... i.e. a bonus to Siege launchers / Cruise Launchers and a more flexible drone bay (as well as slightly lower sig radius). You lose out on pure hitpoints / speed / mid slots, but for what you save an awful lot in ISK meaning you won't be crying when you do eventually lose it, which you WILL solo. Just as a note will you be completely solo, or have you got an alt scout? Most of the time I fly solo because I normally play for only half-an-hour each time. I don't use alts. Therefore, I'm thinking of "playing safe" with a Rapier for a while until I get the hang of things. No wonder eve hates u more than BoB, u start a thread about what fancy bs to use and then u say u're gonna use rapier. Damnit, one more machariel pilot that won't get ransomed I would like to pilot a Machariel, but it should take me 6-months to have the skill points to do it well. Until then, I'm 2-months away from a Vagabond/Rapier - the experience of flying these should be useful. By the way, why do so many dislike BRUCE these days A few weeks ago everone liked us except pirates. Has everyone gone pirate, or what?!

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